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    "Sabryna says she got a call from her daughter’s daycare saying that the baby did not look right and that she should be taken to a hospital. Sabryna then went to pick up her daughter, at which point she was informed via phone that they believed the girl was injured falling out of a pack-and-play, a combination play and nap space similar to a crib."

    "Sabryna set those thoughts aside and proceeded to pick up her daughter and take her to the emergency room. In the ER, she says she wasv (sic) informed that her daughter has two brain bleeds, or subdural lateral hematomas. As the injury was severe, it could not be handled locally and required treatment at a hospital an hour and a half away. Her daughter stayed in the hospital for several days and received a series of tests, at which point it was revealed that she also had a spinal cord injury.

    After the child was discharged, Sabryna’s husband and mother visited the daycare to speak with the owners and figure out exactly what happened. They are told that neither the daycare owner nor the owner’s employee were in the room when the incident took place. Because of this, it is unclear exactly what led to the injury that resulted in brain bleeds and a spinal injury." - https://www.dailydot.com/irl/daycare...ct-terminated/

    **Now that article is focused on the wrong issue, as usual. They are angry the kid was terminated.

    Of course, the daycare terminated the contract after this, most would because obviously they are unable to meet this kid's needs or the injury would not have happened in the first place. They need to focus on the safety of an older infant, unsupervised, in a pack-n-play. Everyone knows those things flip over, can't be sanitized and can easily be climbed out of because of the mesh siding. They are not manufactured for professional usage.
    Last edited by Cat Herder; 07-13-2022, 02:23 PM.

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    "Everyone knows those things flip over, can't be sanitized and can easily be climbed out of because of the mesh siding. They are not manufactured for professional usage."


    Interesting, I never knew they could be easily flipped over, never ever once had that happened in the 12+ years I used one. I only ever had one kid climb out out. I used one instead of a crib for my DD and never had any trouble with it.

    When I opened my dc, I found several YouTube videos on to wash them in my bathtub, although I don't recommend washing them, it makes the pipes rust and the boards warp plus it takes days to dry.

    After I discovered foldable cribs and bought one for ds, I sold or donated/ gave away all but one pnp. I kept one to use as a backup until my state changed the rules for pnp, making all used/older pnp no longer allowed.

    I was just grateful that I had already switched over to cribs. Although I have had a child climb out of the crib and the paint peel on one.

    I do recommend cribs for the main reason that they are way easier to clean and could be done right then and be ready to use the same day.

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    • #3
      Wow. Those are severe injuries. I didn’t know a pnp could cause these injuries.

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      • Annalee
        Annalee commented
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        Agreed! Something is off....I just don't think one fall out of a pnp could cause such blunt trauma even if they fell flat on a wood floor. I know of kids who fall off of full-size beds and get bumps but rarely severe injuries.??

    • #4
      We have to use cribs and crib sheets for our infants here in alabama. PNP are not permitted here as well because of SIDS risk. They are not manufactured for use as a safe sleeping environment for infants!
      Christy Sewell

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      • Blackcat31
        Blackcat31 commented
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        Can you post a link to this?
        From my understanding and research there is no increased risk of SUIDS when using a PNP and although not all of them, some are perfectly safe to use for infant sleep according to CPSC.gov website and although they are acceptable for sleep here in my state, I like to have the most current info. Especially as a new grandma lol!

      • Cat Herder
        Cat Herder commented
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        Same in Georgia

    • #5
      I have always used pnp.....

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      • #6
        Originally posted by Blackcat31 View Post
        Can you post a link to this?
        From my understanding and research there is no increased risk of SUIDS when using a PNP and although not all of them, some are perfectly safe to use for infant sleep according to CPSC.gov website and although they are acceptable for sleep here in my state, I like to have the most current info. Especially as a new grandma lol!
        Sure
        www.dhr.state.al.us
        Christy Sewell

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        • Blackcat31
          Blackcat31 commented
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          lol! That link leads to the entire department of human services for the state of AL.
          Any link that can specifically address increased SUIDS risks and PNP’s not manufactured for safe sleep

      • #7
        https://www.verywellfamily.com/is-it...n-play-5114112

        https://upsidedad.com/how-to-put-bab...pack-and-play/

        just some links that discuss the safety of pnp. It seems they are still considered safe as long as you don’t add or change anything. And they don’t recommend any sleeping on the bassinet attachment. If there is anything newer, I can’t find it.

        I remember reading about a daycare provider that started a new child and she used PNPs. This was a very large child that drank a ton of milk past recommended age she said. So weight was probably from the milk and too much milk can cause bruising (this is my personal thought on the incident nothing that was said by anyone else). And the child wouldn’t lay down for nap and kept hanging over the PNP with all of their body weight. Well the child ended up with some bruising from hanging their body over it. And she was cleared of anything bad being accused of her (doctor confirmed what bruising looked like came from), but still was a crap show to go through I’m sure. I never saw any update on the situation, but it did sound like too the child was just too big for a PNP. There is a weight and height limit and probably not everyone thinks about that.

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        • #8
          "To assess the risk of using portable cribs and playpens as sleep surfaces for infants, data from playpen/portable crib deaths occurring between January 1, 1999, and February 4, 2004, that were reported to the Consumer Product Safety Commission were retrospectively reviewed. Twenty-one playpen/portable crib deaths were identified. Two-thirds of the deaths were in infants. Asphyxia, positional asphyxia, and suffocation were the leading causes of death. Several deaths were the consequence of risks unique to playpens and portable cribs: playpen collapse, modifications to the playpen, and improper assembly. The data demonstrate some unique risks posed by playpens/portable cribs, including risks from improper assembly and setup. Programs recommending and using playpens/portable cribs as routine infant sleep surfaces must be aware of the need for additional guidance regarding use of playpens/portable cribs." - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18057162/

          Many more are listed as accidental death when bigger kids pulled them over or dropped things in.

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          • Cat Herder
            Cat Herder commented
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            *If you only search the brand name you will find the companies pay to have their search results wiped.*

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          Here is a full listing of available studies: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?lin...m_uid=18057162
          155 results
          Last edited by Cat Herder; 07-13-2022, 07:22 AM.

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          • #10
            This further cements my decision to only accept ages 18 months and older, from now forward. I made an exception for two longtime families this past year, and I’m so ready for everyone to be of age!

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            • #11
              "Especially as a new grandma lol!"

              To my knowledge, they are perfectly fine for supervised personal use. It is when used unsupervised, in another room, with other people's kids, for pay, that it becomes problematic.

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              • Annalee
                Annalee commented
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                Technically anything is grounds for trouble with no supervision. LOL

              • Cat Herder
                Cat Herder commented
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                Boom goes the dynamite....

            • #12
              The age of the PNP does matter too. After time they stretch and mattress doesn’t fit as well. Weight of kids you put in there matters here too for this. So, If you’re going to use them, it’s best to keep them newer and watch for stretching. And if you use one for an infant especially make sure no gaps between the mattress pad and side of crib even though the sides of the PNP are breathable.

              Everyone should be checking on the sleeping kids though regardless. Either have a video monitor that you can see or just walk in. I just walk in usually and check. I’ve watched babies as young as 4 weeks, I get a lot of infants, and they just stay with me anyway. Whatever room I’m in, they are in. Laying on floor playing or PNP I roll around. And then I move to sleep training about 6 or 7 months in new PNPs. But I’ve thought about just using foldable cribs too. Probably save me money as they last longer. Last infant I had was 2019. So if I get another one probably be what I do. If there is any risk, it’s really just never worth it. PNPs have their purpose though and are useful for some situations. We went on vacation when my youngest was 3 months and she did just fine in the bassinet size graco PNP.

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              • Cat Herder
                Cat Herder commented
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                Oh, man. They are such a blessing on the playground with the non-mobile kids. Supervision is the key.

                I tend to buy one for each new infant, then donate it after they outgrow it. The tax write-offs eliminate the out-of-pocket costs entirely.
                Last edited by Cat Herder; 07-13-2022, 08:21 AM.

            • #13
              Originally posted by Annalee View Post
              I have always used pnp.....
              The key is supervised. Supervised sleep. I doubt you leave them in another room unsupervised during nap time. That is when the injuries and deaths are happening. Pets, older kids, climbing, alien abduction, neighbors escaped anaconda.... really anything can happen unsupervised.

              Same as with unsupervised in high chairs or swings.
              Last edited by Cat Herder; 07-13-2022, 08:09 AM.

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              • Annalee
                Annalee commented
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                I turn them upside down on my kids...LOL JUST KIDDING!!!! needed some laughs today!

              • Cat Herder
                Cat Herder commented
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                I cut the front mesh out, zip tied in some battery sparkly lights, and topped it with a colored sheet to make a great toddler reading room.

                Stacking them as a biter cage was a running joke for years...... lolol

              • Annalee
                Annalee commented
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                Whatever works! LOL

            • #14
              Full disclosure: My son died unsupervised in a back bedroom, in a pack-n-play, at a home daycare provider's home 30 years ago.

              He was not the first and will not be the last.

              It was ruled SIDS. That does not mean that is what it would be ruled today.
              Last edited by Cat Herder; 07-13-2022, 08:15 AM.

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              • BaileeB
                BaileeB commented
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                MissCait The EXACT same thing happened with my daughter! She was about 2-3 months old. She is almost 5 now. She was laying in her rock n sleep in the living room while her dad and I were getting dressed. I walked out to the living room to check on her after about 5-10 minutes and she was pale and gray. She is Hispanic so she was a fairly dark skinned baby and as soon as I looked at her I knew something was wrong. I ran over and put my hand on her chest and could tell she wasn’t breathing. I SCREAMED for her dad. He came running in and we started trying to wake her up. Her dad picked her up and was yelling and damn near shaking her. she jumped awake and started crying. It all happened in the span of maybe 30 seconds. But it was one of the most terrifying things of my life. No one believed me or her dad and thought we were paranoid and she was just in a good sleep. I hardly slept for over a month after. I just sat up and watched her.

              • MissCait
                MissCait commented
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                BaileeB

                Omg! So I wasn’t crazy! I felt mine looked grey too. I definitely thought she wasn’t alive. That’s why I screamed. It was a scream I’ll never forget. And I couldn’t get to her fast enough so I jumped in the air and threw myself to her. Just crazy what you do in the most moments. But that scream brought her back. I’m so glad those things got recalled, but I know so many innocent lives were lost before it got recalled. Car seats will do the same thing when not in a car.

              • BaileeB
                BaileeB commented
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                MissCait no, definitely not crazy! I was so happy they were recalled as well! I wish more people knew about the car seats. I have said things to moms a few times. Usually they are receptive and appreciative. Sometimes they aren’t though. I can’t just NOT say something though.

            • #15
              Pack n play until one years old. Children over the age of one use nap mats here.

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