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  • Roe vs Wade Overturned

    What's your opinion about today's ruling?
    Christy Sewell

  • #2
    I suspect it is a call to arms for a moderate swarm in November.

    Baiting the silent majority to come out and take a stand about the extremism on both sides.

    My hope is that both sides come out more middle of the road because of it.

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    • Cat Herder
      Cat Herder commented
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      FTR, I will be so pissed if I have to vote for Biden in '24. But I will if I have to. Like most of my friends.
      Last edited by Cat Herder; 06-24-2022, 02:17 PM.

  • #3
    His speech sounded like he didn't write it but someone wrote it for him again.
    Christy Sewell

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    • Cat Herder
      Cat Herder commented
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      I did not hear it. I stopped listening to him long before he announced his candidacy. He needs an ombudsman, stat. Watching elder abuse is sickening.

  • #4
    I think forcing women to have babies in an already messed up economy is a recipe for disaster. We cant even help the people already born and there are so many kids already struggling with hunger, abuse, neglect, so why are we adding more to the problem? I imagine there will be an increase in dumpster babies. (Alexis Avila for example). There were other problems this country needed to fix before this. The welfare system is going to get interesting.

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    • #5
      https://youtu.be/zysgAlJyrbY

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      • MissCait
        MissCait commented
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        Momboss

        They don’t suck the baby out after certain amount of weeks?? I thought they did. I know the video makes the baby look way bigger than it really. It’s about the size of a peach at 13 weeks.

        Most I’ve known that got abortions took pills and they had it at home, but that was early.

      • Momboss
        Momboss commented
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        MissCait you can take the pill up to 9 weeks. And most abortions happen under 9 weeks. My friend did the vaccum and it was like 5 minutes between when the dr walked in and when she walked out. I was in there with her. There were no multiple tools or multiple drs involved. You dont see anything either. It was very…simple. She chose the vaccum because there is no bleeding or cramping afterward, and no follow up apt. Wheras the pill is like a heavy period and you have to go back for a follow up. She didnt want to deal with that. This video makes it seem like a big procedure/surgery.
        Last edited by Momboss; 06-27-2022, 12:41 PM.

      • MissCait
        MissCait commented
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        Momboss

        Okay gotcha. I do know the whole thing can still be traumatic for some women. Especially ones forced to do it by parents or boyfriends. And I have literally held crying women over it. I didn’t see the procedure myself though or ask them details. And then I know for others it’s not as traumatic. It really just varies. I have always been out spoken to supporting women after abortion even when I was a Christian and how important it is. And I was out spoken to supporting their babies and them if they decided to keep it. Both things that fall on deaf ears many times over. ( Referring to my personal face to face encounters. Not implying anything about anyone in this thread)

    • #6
      I think it’s awful. I feel like I have been gut punched. Trump did this by putting in his supreme court candidates. But he isn’t only one to blame. People don’t understand what else is under attack by this ruling. Interracial marriage, birth control, same sex marriage.

      editing to add:

      This decision greatly effects the poor and marginalized groups too. Probably most important. They die the most during childbirth. They can’t afford to provide for children. Babies are born drug addicted, into unsafe environments. More grand parents raising grand babies that they can’t afford. This will increase child trafficking. Quality of life matters. Children born into these environments impacts their life for the rest of their life. This is not a day to celebrate. When you can’t even care for and protect the women and children alive and care more for the lives not born yet. I just don’t get it.
      Last edited by MissCait; 06-26-2022, 08:27 AM.

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      • #7
        Texas is banning abortion after 6 weeks and no exceptions for rape. They also are trying to pass laws to make it illegal to travel outside of Texas to have an abortion. 12 other states are following suit.

        So, if your daughter gets raped and you can’t afford to leave the state and pay for an abortion. Or it’s illegal to… you will have to watch your daughter have a baby that she never wanted and never asked to have.

        This should terrify everyone. Modern day witch hunts.

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        • #8
          Just my opinion! I do understand there are horrible situations that lead to unwanted pregnancies but 'killing' babies makes me cringe/cry/angry. I am friends to a man/wife who had 4 miscarriages and had given up on having their own children. Their name was on the adoption list and a special needs teenager was raped; the teenager's mother allowed her to have the baby as she could not consciously allow an abortion but they met/hand chose my friends to be this child's parents. The child is now 6 years old. Every time I look at this child, I am thankful for the choices that were made. Again, just my opinion. I do see all the grandparents raising children and I see all the unwanted pregnancies but give those children to people who want them and pray daily for a child.

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          • Sahm121
            Sahm121 commented
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            Annalee - of course you’re entitled to your opinion and in that situation your friends were able to give a child a great life, but as a parent of a child with special needs my first thought was that it shouldn’t be at the cost of my child. If that makes sense?

          • MissCait
            MissCait commented
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            Sahm121

            I thought same thing. I couldn’t tell from her wording though if the mom made the decision or the child did. But if the mom did, I find that absolutely disgusting. If the child did, then I am assuming she may be SN, but capable of making these types of decisions. Anyway, So you weren’t
            the only one to think how you did.

          • Momboss
            Momboss commented
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            At one point, interracial marriage, gay marriage, and freeing slaves made people angry/cringe. Just because something doesnt make you feel right, doesnt mean it should be taken away from others. You dont have to have an abortion if you dont want to, but thats the beauty of choice! I think someone can be pro-choice and against abortion at the same time. I know plenty of people who would never get an abortion and dont like the concept of it, but they also dont want to control someone elses life.

        • #9
          FTR, I am in a poverty county within my state and I do see everything you stated all-too-often but I still am pro-life!

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          • #10
            Pro life shouldn’t mean that choices get taken away from other women. My DH lost his job 2 weeks before our daughter was born. When she needed surgery we had to scramble to get it done before insurance was canceled (company closed down). My daughter was born and had severe medical issues and financially we were struggling because of the unexpected lay off. When I went for my 6 week check up, I was denied birth control Because it was a
            catholic hospital. The nurse pulled me aside and hold me to go to planned parenthood. I had a 6 week old baby, a 2 and 4 year old and my husband was unemployed during a recession. Her first surgery was not fully covered and any savings was wiped out between that and bills within 6 months. When I went to planned parenthood, I was at my breaking point. I wasn’t sure I could keep doing daycare since the demands of a medically complex child were harder than I had ever imagined. The company said they’d pay our insurance for 3 months and stopped after the first month (bankruptcy). Imagine my surprise during a 5 day hospital picu stay when I was told we were uninsured and that we’d have to make payment arrangements. Bringing another child into the world at that moment wouldve broken me and planned parenthood set me up with birth control. During my breaking point, I had to endure people calling themselves pro Lifers throwing things at me and yelling vile things at me. Instead of offering support and praying for me or even giving me a hug and telling me God has a plan, I was called names and told I was a leech to society and a murderer. I cried so much her first few months of life and I’m
            Sorry, but it was absolutely shameful That they did that. Offering me support or even empathy during the tough time is what God Is about, not about judging and shaming people for their choices;

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            • Annalee
              Annalee commented
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              I agree with the 'disagreement doesn't have to come with violence/shame'!

              In today's time, with the exception of rape; birth control is free, all can get it at any age without a parent's consent. Now, rape is an exception but for everyone else, there is a way to curb the pregnancies. Sometimes, birth control doesn't work also. But that should be the exception, not the rule!

              I also have special needs children within my immediate/extended family and several single mothers/fathers; so I/we have been there and have offered assistance in the form of care-money-child care-etc.

              Support systems, education, etc. are taught now in schools. I do feel the majority now know where babies come from.

              I'm not hard-core and don't want to come off mean or non-caring. I just can't fathom abortion....that's just me!

            • MissCait
              MissCait commented
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              I’m sorry you had that experience. All of it, from lost job to baby that needed surgeries, to poor treatment by Christians. Their Bible tells them to take care of the poor and lowly. Not treat them like trash. Anyway, sadly planned parenthood’s even in blue states are temporarily shutting down to review the legalities of everything since this verdict. Many people will be effected by that even if it’s for a short time.

            • GirlMomma
              GirlMomma commented
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              I’m so sorry you had to deal with that. ❤️

          • #11
            I would say that if we care about babies in the womb, we should vote to provide healthcare and family planning services, maternity leave, quality early childhood support services. Especially since not all Christians and ProLifers give their money to anyone but themselves. So we really can’t rely on them to support these unborn babies that they claim to care about so much. Of course I’m not speaking about all, but even y’all good ones know your other fellow Christian’s suck.

            I like facts and numbers. And if you look at who mainly gets abortions today, the things I just listed would probably greatly improve this.
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            Last edited by MissCait; 06-27-2022, 04:28 AM.

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            • Annalee
              Annalee commented
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              I haven't said anything about being a Christian! I only left my comments about my immediate/extended family! I have not mentioned church at all in this thread!

              This is my last post, FTR....many times when I discuss issues of life particularly with my sons, I tell them 'let's throw religion out of the picture and discuss the issue'. Is it healthy, prosperous, wise, etc are things we consider. So that is where my decisions come from. While I am a spiritual church-following person, I do not follow clicks, and I make decisions based on ME. Sure, my raising has much bearing on my beliefs, but I have even veered from that path many times and gotten out of the box. I respect your decision but I'm not going to name-call anyone.....and I think this thread is heading in that direction so again, I respectfully bow out!
              Last edited by Annalee; 06-27-2022, 04:36 AM.

            • MissCait
              MissCait commented
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              Annalee

              At no time have I been disrespectful to you. First. So let’s get that out of the way. Second, I said “Christian AND ProLifers.” It’s no secret most are Christian because they use their Bible to back their views, but I also know some aren’t. I wasn’t name calling. This thread has been pretty calm actually. I didn’t bring out any really big and controversial talking points. But I do have those too. 😉

              Anyway, your opinion is your opinion. Mine is mine. We can agree to disagree. I’m not angry with you nor name calling. My comment just above didn’t have your name on it so no need to take offense to it. It’s a fact Christian’s go to the polls and judge from their towers they have created for themselves to save unborn babies lives but then vote against EVERYTHING that is created to support these babies they fight so hard to keep. It’s a fact. That either applies to you or it doesn’t. I am blunt and to the point. I am what I am.

              Edited to add: there are many liberal Christian’s too who are pro choice!! And there are some conservative who vote red down the line, but they foster, tithe, or donate money to the under deserving. They do their part even if they don’t agree with higher taxes for these programs. I am talking about the ones that don’t do any of the above but they proudly wave their signs and curse you to hell for abortions. Those are who I am talking about.
              Last edited by MissCait; 06-27-2022, 05:18 AM.

          • #12
            Ok im going to put a *trigger warning* as im going to go into detail…

            Back in 2015 I was pro life. Until February of that year, birth control failed me. I chose to have an abortion. I was already a single mom making $9/hr, still in college, and living in my parents basement. Although upset about the pregnancy and being pro life herself, my mom told me i had a choice. I was only 5 weeks and chose the pill. It was painless and like a period. I wouldnt say it traumatized me, but i am upset that if my situation was different, i could have kept it. Adoption was not an option because i knew i would never be able to do it. There would be no way i would have the life i have today without having done it. I also had another (planned) baby a few years later and think i wouldnt have my amazing son if i had made a different decision.
            This decision didnt affect anyone but me. No body knew and everyones life went on as normal. So i have no idea why Pro-Birth people care so much. I say Pro Birth because unless you donate directly to a pregnant woman, babysit for free, dont care about your tax dollars going to the poor, feed the homeless, dont eat meat or kill insects/rodents (thats life too, why are we any better?) and don’t believe in the death penalty…then how can you call yourself pro life. They care that the baby is born, but do nothing after. Since my decision was based on finances- Ifsomeone offered to pay for that pregnancy and for everything that child needs for the next 18 years, then sure maybe i would have kept it. But who does that?

            My friend also had an abortion earlier this year. She is severely bipolar and takes heavy medication. Continuing the medication throughout the pregnancy would have guaranteed her child born disabled and with body deformations, especially the spine/brain. She tried going off her meds and take the only “safe” bipolar med for pregnancy. It wasnt working. She was spiraling. The 7 weeks she was pregnant I had to stop her from killing herself twice. She needed to go back on her meds to save HER life. She is very christian and chose abortion. because of how severe the childs disabilities were going to be if born, She believed the baby would be better off with God.

            It is your life to live and you have to do what it best for you, no one else.

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            • #13
              Adoption was mentioned and someone said "There will always be babies for adoption". I Just wanted to address the fact that there are way more parents looking to adopt then there are babies needing to be adopted.

              My husband and I had trouble conceiving and went to an adoption agency, we were told it would be years before we could start the process (aka get to the top of the waiting list) and even then there was no guarantee that something wouldn't happen. (Bio mom changing her mind)

              Years later we went back to try to adopt an older child. Again we were told the waiting list was long and we would increase our chances of we did the foster to adopt program. So we did, we were supposed to foster adoptable kids. We got our placement and were told that they were going to be adoptable at the end of the month. Three months later they were still not adoptable and my husband and I both knew bio mom would get these kids back and sure enough she did.

              When my mom friend adopted in the late 80s, they were told they were limited to adopting no more than two newborn because of the length of the waiting list. They did get a third baby but only because the bio mom requested they take her 2nd baby to keep her kids together.

              Most of my friends that adopted have gone over seas because it doesn't take as long to adopt that way.

              Eventually we were able to convince after 14 years and losing our forever family when they went home to their bio mom.
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              So yes babies will always be adopted but your/ my chance to get a chance to adopt a newborn takes years.
              Last edited by Alwaysgreener; 06-27-2022, 08:23 AM.

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              • Momboss
                Momboss commented
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                MissCait i dont think the problem isn’t enough babies, i think it takes so long because a family has to be chosen. I know a few people who have adopted multiple times. But i also get an icky feeling when people say there isn’t enough babies to adopt, as if a child is owed to them.
                And yes there are many many articles about black market adoptions. Women were told their babies died at birth but in fact were adopted out. A part of me feels this overturning is a scheme against the poor who now have to be forced to have a baby, so (rich) families can get the babies they want. People who have money will find a way to get an abortion.

              • MissCait
                MissCait commented
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                Momboss

                I have thought this too. That this is a scheme to get babies. There is also talk that this is being done because abortions are going down in black and brown communities and going up in white. And they are trying to ensure whites are still supreme race by 2050 because it’s not predicted white will be supreme by 2050. Abortions have always been a racial issue. As you probably know, Margaret Sanger was a racist who believed in eugenics. She targeted black and brown communities to kill them off. And now the script is flipping. It’s really hard to talk about these issues and not involve the deep rooted racism that is in all of them.

                All of this aside, the facts we know for sure are, this isn’t going to effect wealthy people at all. They can fly across states to get abortions it needs be. Or drive. And even if it’s a illegal, they can find a way around it. This is going to hurt our poor. Who are already suffering. When we vote, we have to stop voting for ourselves. This will eventually effect all of us.

              • Momboss
                Momboss commented
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                MissCait 100% agree.

            • #14
              My personal opinion is that no one should have a say in what someone else chooses to do with their body. I don't quite understand all the uproar, as it's not illegal - just left up to the states. That being said, I do think it's a problem that the father doesn't have a say. After all, 50% of the DNA is his. I'm not sure how one would navigate that, though.

              Would I ever get an abortion? No. Do I think it's my place to tell someone else that they shouldn't get an abortion? Also, no.

              Just because it's not the right choice for me, doesn't mean it's not the right choice for someone else.

              For the record, I aways vote republican and always will - I just don't understand why a person cares so much about what someone else decides to do, especially when it's none of their business.

              I also believe pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion.

              My body, my choice. Your body, your choice. This should go both ways!

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              • #15
                Originally posted by Sparkles View Post
                I don't quite understand all the uproar, as it's not illegal - just left up to the states. !
                because some states have already made it illegal, so unless a person has the financial means to travel to a state where it is NOT illegal, then there is no option.


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