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  • SandBox
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    The problem with giving the states the power is you have stupid states like Texas. 6 weeks and no abortions after even for rape. 6 weeks is not enough time. And then… hey everyone, here is a bounty, you turn someone in for fleeing/aiding for an abortion in the state of Texas, you get some money. That’s an old trick they have used before.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/tex...ters-citizens/

    I don’t live in Texas. I am no where near Texas, but I still care about the people that will be impacted by this in Texas. I know though many don’t care because it’s not effecting them. Until it does. Then they will care.

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  • Cat Herder
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    While I am at it, I also support physician-assisted suicide. For the same reasons.

    It should be my choice.

  • SandBox
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    Michael

    So that was 26 weeks. And it was forced. That is awful. And I am sorry these things happen. I am sorry that woman had to go through that.

    I am pro life. I am pro life for all races, young, old, rich, poor. Not just the fetus. With that, in my opinion, comes with a right for a woman to govern her own body and make those decisions. As I said before, a child born into a really bad environment has lasting impacts. And I don’t believe children are a blessing. They are a result of sex. And they come out as serial killers to saints. And no Being is coming out of the sky to smooth over the consequences of your decisions. You have to live with the consequences of your decisions until you die. And that is always and should be always, our choice. Also, as a previous poster said, no one is offering up to pay for the lives of these babies for the next 18 years. So mothers, especially poor mothers or single mothers that are just above the poverty line, really have to make tough decisions. It’s not my place to judge them or tell them they can’t.

    Don’t get me started on RBG. I am actually not a feminist. And White Feminism is evil. They only care about white lives and stole a movement right off the backs of our black and brown women.

    Most people cringe at an abortion at 6 months. Honestly. Most women will know by 6 months what they are doing and would just keep it. That is so rare.

  • Cat Herder
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    I got pregnant too young (summer before senior year in high school) because my "boyfriend" (summer fling) tore the condom when he found out I enlisted, to keep me from leaving. He thought he was in love. I was just the new blonde, in a mini-skirt, with daddy issues, who moved to town. I did not find any of that out until after our son died of SIDS and he had knocked up another neighbor girl. I married him because he was "not abusive" knowing full well he was not who I intended to spend my life with. I just wanted my son to have a paternal last name.

    Some men use pregnancy to control women. Some women use pregnancy to control men.

    No, I did not choose to abort, but I did have the choice.

    No, I did not consider adoption. I was asked repeatedly by people in my family and church, even offered hush money and a car. Too many babies in my family have already been sold to rich people. None of them (ages 64 to 14, so far) had good outcomes and every one of them (that I know about, 7) has found their way right back to the toxic side of the family, angry and possessive. One was just arrested for child cruelty, again, last month. Nature vs Nurture is no debate in my gene pool. Adoptees have rights, too. There is no more closed adoption and you are silly if you believe there is. The internet, hackers for hire, and fun little DNA kits fixed that all by themselves. No legislation needed.

    I am not ok with Americans having fewer choices. I am cool with deadlines, guidelines and civil liability for failure to act in a medical emergency. Medical negligence and malpractice are already on the books. Some states are run by their worst 1% at almost every level. I worry for them.
    Last edited by Cat Herder; 06-28-2022, 11:42 AM.

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  • Michael
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    I had a friend in the early 90s that had his girlfriend get an abortion at 6 months… 6 months! It made me sick to my stomach. It still bothers me to this day.

    There is a responsibility for a mother and a civil society to protect an unborn life at some juncture. I know the burden that a pregnancy can put on the mother in the latter stages but society has to impart human rights to an unborn child when it’s viable. We also should not revoke a father’s relationship with his potential child. Yes, both mother and father have responsibilities to the child and each other.

    If we care for each other, we can find a path forward. We need a better America for our children to live and grow in. It’s the voters that ultimately decide.

    Even Ruth Bader Ginsberg stated she preferred that right to be phased in more gradually and that it rely more on a different part of the Constitution — the right to equal protection rather than the right to privacy.

  • SandBox
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    You sound like a nice person. Issue is, many aren’t. Many men push abortion on their partners. Do you know the number one cause of death for pregnant women is homicide? Yea. That’s true. Google it. If a man doesn’t want a baby and to pay child support for the rest of his life or he gets a mistress pregnant and can’t abort it, do you think those murders will go up? They will.

  • SandBox
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    No one is having late term abortions unless something serious going on. It’s painful, invasive, expensive and many doctors won’t do it. Any stories you’ve been told about a woman just deciding at 35 weeks she doesn’t want a baby and has an abortion are lies and never happened. Unless illegally and under the table.

    It should be federal law for bodily autonomy. It should be federal law for a women’s right to privacy. It should be federal law for her right to choose.

    You darn right this has caused divide. Women are divorcing their husbands. Republicans that were pro choice are switching sides. It’s over bro. The straw that broke the camels back. Canada, Europe many there are outraged too and they know they are next.

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  • Annalee
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    Happy you chose life for your son! I would place a heart here if I could

    As for when life begins while we are all telling our life stories here; dh and I tried for 7 years to have a child and had pretty much given up until one day I KNEW I wanted to do a pregnancy test. I was very regular so after one day off, I did the test. Sure enough It was positive. As for knowing WHEN life is life; my doctor normally makes people wait till the tenth week to come in; but she had me come in as she knew my history; said at the most I was four weeks and she did a different kind of ultrasound as the normal would not pick up a heartbeat but she showed me a very tiny fragment that was moving steadily in my womb to assure my doubting self that here was really a baby in there and the baby had a live heartbeat. I will NEVER forget that feeling!

  • Michael
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    Abortion is a very complex issue. I wasn’t sure I wanted to post, being that I am a man, but men are part of this equation.

    Back story: I was a lead singer in a rock band when I was young. There is no money in it but guys like girls and that is the payoff to many of the “musicians” at the time. I was surprised at how many girls got pregnant and had abortions. Many guys and girls wanted to be part of the LA music scene and saw pregnancy as an obstacle to a life that was - sex, drugs and RnR.

    I lived that scene for many years. My girlfriend at that time was an actress. Likewise, a pregnancy in her profession would be the end of that career. That’s how she saw it.

    One night, after spending all day at the clubs on the Sunset Strip, I came home to my sleeping girlfriend and wanted sex. She told me to use protection, which I didn’t have. I told her if she got pregnant “It Was Meant to Be”.

    Well, she got pregnant. I remember when she told me. We were at my parents house. It was like I then just walked through an imaginary door. Our lives changed dramatically. I came out of my room to tell my family. My mother said sternly” You’d better get married”, my father chimed “Yeah Man!” to which my brother proclaimed “You’ll never be successful”.

    We had a shotgun wedding in Las Vegas when she was just 4 months along.

    While we were no longer pursuing our musical and acting careers, it was the best decision I ever made and changed my opinion on life in the womb.

    When my son was just born, he was under the infrared lamp crying in the delivery room. When I spoke to him, he stopped crying and was listening intently. I could feel the presence in him was so aware. He held onto my finger and it was as though he knew me from my voice. That was a magical moment for me.

    I believe that abortion is ultimately a woman’s choice but it should be limited to the first few weeks or months of gestation.

    The issue for me with Roe- is in making it a constitutional right, the right to unfettered abortion is wrong. In very progressive California, there are laws that restrict late-term abortion, but that law is never enforced. Just like when medicinal marijuana could be acquired by seeing your doctor while complaining of anxiety or headaches, the same thing happens here with abortion up until the time of birth. It happens between a doctor and a patient. No one asks, and no one tells. That is infanticide and it’s wrong.

    As a father, I would not want my child to be aborted when they can feel and know their surroundings and are at life’s threshold. At some point they are a person in the womb. Society has to decide when that is.

    If someone does not want a child, there are so many options to prevent that early on. I am against banning contraception. The morning-after pill- should be available to those who want it-for free.

    I know there is no way to appease both sides of this conversation but as the free country we have fundamental liberties and duties to uphold, We either stand together or we will fall apart.

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  • SandBox
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    Alwaysgreener

    I don’t want to completely get into this because I don’t want to open up a can of worms for more offensive and racist comments. And I know not only white people read these forums.

    But first I originally wanted to point out that comparing AA Slave trade and sex trafficking trade is not right and they are not the same. Not everyone would take that comment well at all. I assumed you probably just didn’t understand that. Mommaboss’s good point got lost here.

    Second, quick history lesson, in 1680 VA Legislation passed the law where all white were free and all black were slaves. And that law stayed into effect for hundreds of years. Hundreds. Even when they were freed, the fight wasn’t over. It’s still not over in many ways. To bring up how white were slaves at one small point in time in the US, does not and will never negate what was done to black people in this country.

    Again, I’d like to leave this conversation here and not get more into it because this is about roe Vs wade.

  • Alwaysgreener
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    You both do know that slaves and slave owners in America were all races not just whites owning blacks. Anyone that was in debt or being punished for a more minor crime could be sold as a slave.

  • SandBox
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    We do need to differentiate the slavery that happened with black people and the sex trafficking trade though. Very
    entirely two different issues! The sex trade slavery that is going on today, is not the same as the African American Slavery trade that plagued American soil for hundreds of years. What was done to black people in this country was horrible and don’t want to mix the two.
    Last edited by SandBox; 06-27-2022, 06:37 PM.

  • Momboss
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    It may not be over, but it is a law. And im specifically talking about slavery in the racial form.

  • SandBox
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    Alwaysgreener

    You bring up good points about all of that. And I’ve thought about that very thing since this verdict came out. and I know planned parenthood hid abortions from sex trade. And I didn’t like that either. Trust me. And now what do you think is going to happen? These pimps and sex slave traders won’t save these women that get pregnant or pay to go across state lines. Or risk getting caught if these states do choose to go after people trying to flee for abortions. They are now going to kill them and dump their bodies somewhere. They also will find a way to make some sort of profit and probably more babies and children will be offered to be sold to them since the mother couldn’t abort them.

    edited out a paragraph that was unrelated. This topic is just a huge passion of mine.
    Last edited by SandBox; 06-27-2022, 05:47 PM.

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  • SandBox
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    references to info I’ve shared here.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2C5p4L3qEwc


    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022....html#comments


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