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**Cat Herder** · 06-24-2022, 02:06 PM

I suspect it is a call to arms for a moderate swarm in November.

Baiting the silent majority to come out and take a stand about the extremism on both sides.

My hope is that both sides come out more middle of the road because of it.

**Springvalley** · 06-24-2022, 02:27 PM

His speech sounded like he didn't write it but someone wrote it for him again.

**Momboss** · 06-25-2022, 04:19 AM

I think forcing women to have babies in an already messed up economy is a recipe for disaster. We cant even help the people already born and there are so many kids already struggling with hunger, abuse, neglect, so why are we adding more to the problem? I imagine there will be an increase in dumpster babies. (Alexis Avila for example). There were other problems this country needed to fix before this. The welfare system is going to get interesting.

**Alwaysgreener** · 06-25-2022, 08:25 AM

https://youtu.be/zysgAlJyrbY

**SandBox** · 06-26-2022, 06:12 AM

I think it’s awful. I feel like I have been gut punched. Trump did this by putting in his supreme court candidates. But he isn’t only one to blame. People don’t understand what else is under attack by this ruling. Interracial marriage, birth control, same sex marriage.

editing to add:

This decision greatly effects the poor and marginalized groups too. Probably most important. They die the most during childbirth. They can’t afford to provide for children. Babies are born drug addicted, into unsafe environments. More grand parents raising grand babies that they can’t afford. This will increase child trafficking. Quality of life matters. Children born into these environments impacts their life for the rest of their life. This is not a day to celebrate. When you can’t even care for and protect the women and children alive and care more for the lives not born yet. I just don’t get it.

**SandBox** · 06-26-2022, 03:28 PM

Texas is banning abortion after 6 weeks and no exceptions for rape. They also are trying to pass laws to make it illegal to travel outside of Texas to have an abortion. 12 other states are following suit.

So, if your daughter gets raped and you can’t afford to leave the state and pay for an abortion. Or it’s illegal to… you will have to watch your daughter have a baby that she never wanted and never asked to have.

This should terrify everyone. Modern day witch hunts.

**Annalee** · 06-26-2022, 04:59 PM

Just my opinion! I do understand there are horrible situations that lead to unwanted pregnancies but 'killing' babies makes me cringe/cry/angry. I am friends to a man/wife who had 4 miscarriages and had given up on having their own children. Their name was on the adoption list and a special needs teenager was raped; the teenager's mother allowed her to have the baby as she could not consciously allow an abortion but they met/hand chose my friends to be this child's parents. The child is now 6 years old. Every time I look at this child, I am thankful for the choices that were made. Again, just my opinion. I do see all the grandparents raising children and I see all the unwanted pregnancies but give those children to people who want them and pray daily for a child.

**Annalee** · 06-26-2022, 06:14 PM

FTR, I am in a poverty county within my state and I do see everything you stated all-too-often but I still am pro-life!

**Sahm121** · 06-26-2022, 06:41 PM

Pro life shouldn’t mean that choices get taken away from other women. My DH lost his job 2 weeks before our daughter was born. When she needed surgery we had to scramble to get it done before insurance was canceled (company closed down). My daughter was born and had severe medical issues and financially we were struggling because of the unexpected lay off. When I went for my 6 week check up, I was denied birth control Because it was a
catholic hospital. The nurse pulled me aside and hold me to go to planned parenthood. I had a 6 week old baby, a 2 and 4 year old and my husband was unemployed during a recession. Her first surgery was not fully covered and any savings was wiped out between that and bills within 6 months. When I went to planned parenthood, I was at my breaking point. I wasn’t sure I could keep doing daycare since the demands of a medically complex child were harder than I had ever imagined. The company said they’d pay our insurance for 3 months and stopped after the first month (bankruptcy). Imagine my surprise during a 5 day hospital picu stay when I was told we were uninsured and that we’d have to make payment arrangements. Bringing another child into the world at that moment wouldve broken me and planned parenthood set me up with birth control. During my breaking point, I had to endure people calling themselves pro Lifers throwing things at me and yelling vile things at me. Instead of offering support and praying for me or even giving me a hug and telling me God has a plan, I was called names and told I was a leech to society and a murderer. I cried so much her first few months of life and I’m
Sorry, but it was absolutely shameful That they did that. Offering me support or even empathy during the tough time is what God Is about, not about judging and shaming people for their choices;

**SandBox** · 06-27-2022, 04:27 AM

I would say that if we care about babies in the womb, we should vote to provide healthcare and family planning services, maternity leave, quality early childhood support services. Especially since not all Christians and ProLifers give their money to anyone but themselves. So we really can’t rely on them to support these unborn babies that they claim to care about so much. Of course I’m not speaking about all, but even y’all good ones know your other fellow Christian’s suck.

I like facts and numbers. And if you look at who mainly gets abortions today, the things I just listed would probably greatly improve this.

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**Momboss** · 06-27-2022, 04:52 AM

Ok im going to put a *trigger warning* as im going to go into detail…

Back in 2015 I was pro life. Until February of that year, birth control failed me. I chose to have an abortion. I was already a single mom making $9/hr, still in college, and living in my parents basement. Although upset about the pregnancy and being pro life herself, my mom told me i had a choice. I was only 5 weeks and chose the pill. It was painless and like a period. I wouldnt say it traumatized me, but i am upset that if my situation was different, i could have kept it. Adoption was not an option because i knew i would never be able to do it. There would be no way i would have the life i have today without having done it. I also had another (planned) baby a few years later and think i wouldnt have my amazing son if i had made a different decision.
This decision didnt affect anyone but me. No body knew and everyones life went on as normal. So i have no idea why Pro-Birth people care so much. I say Pro Birth because unless you donate directly to a pregnant woman, babysit for free, dont care about your tax dollars going to the poor, feed the homeless, dont eat meat or kill insects/rodents (thats life too, why are we any better?) and don’t believe in the death penalty…then how can you call yourself pro life. They care that the baby is born, but do nothing after. Since my decision was based on finances- Ifsomeone offered to pay for that pregnancy and for everything that child needs for the next 18 years, then sure maybe i would have kept it. But who does that?

My friend also had an abortion earlier this year. She is severely bipolar and takes heavy medication. Continuing the medication throughout the pregnancy would have guaranteed her child born disabled and with body deformations, especially the spine/brain. She tried going off her meds and take the only “safe” bipolar med for pregnancy. It wasnt working. She was spiraling. The 7 weeks she was pregnant I had to stop her from killing herself twice. She needed to go back on her meds to save HER life. She is very christian and chose abortion. because of how severe the childs disabilities were going to be if born, She believed the baby would be better off with God.

It is your life to live and you have to do what it best for you, no one else.

**Alwaysgreener** · 06-27-2022, 08:20 AM

Adoption was mentioned and someone said "There will always be babies for adoption". I Just wanted to address the fact that there are way more parents looking to adopt then there are babies needing to be adopted.

My husband and I had trouble conceiving and went to an adoption agency, we were told it would be years before we could start the process (aka get to the top of the waiting list) and even then there was no guarantee that something wouldn't happen. (Bio mom changing her mind)

Years later we went back to try to adopt an older child. Again we were told the waiting list was long and we would increase our chances of we did the foster to adopt program. So we did, we were supposed to foster adoptable kids. We got our placement and were told that they were going to be adoptable at the end of the month. Three months later they were still not adoptable and my husband and I both knew bio mom would get these kids back and sure enough she did.

When my mom friend adopted in the late 80s, they were told they were limited to adopting no more than two newborn because of the length of the waiting list. They did get a third baby but only because the bio mom requested they take her 2nd baby to keep her kids together.

Most of my friends that adopted have gone over seas because it doesn't take as long to adopt that way.

Eventually we were able to convince after 14 years and losing our forever family when they went home to their bio mom.

So yes babies will always be adopted but your/ my chance to get a chance to adopt a newborn takes years.

**Sparkles** · 06-27-2022, 10:31 AM

My personal opinion is that no one should have a say in what someone else chooses to do with their body. I don't quite understand all the uproar, as it's not illegal - just left up to the states. That being said, I do think it's a problem that the father doesn't have a say. After all, 50% of the DNA is his. I'm not sure how one would navigate that, though.

Would I ever get an abortion? No. Do I think it's my place to tell someone else that they shouldn't get an abortion? Also, no.

Just because it's not the right choice for me, doesn't mean it's not the right choice for someone else.

For the record, I aways vote republican and always will - I just don't understand why a person cares so much about what someone else decides to do, especially when it's none of their business.

I also believe pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion.

My body, my choice. Your body, your choice. This should go both ways!

**Sahm121** · 06-27-2022, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Sparkles View Post

I don't quite understand all the uproar, as it's not illegal - just left up to the states. !

because some states have already made it illegal, so unless a person has the financial means to travel to a state where it is NOT illegal, then there is no option.

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